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Neil Markey

Founder of Krank.ie. News and current events nerd who likes cute animals and fighting with politicians on the internet. QRG has called me a “maverick Irish blogger” but I’m mostly just being an opinionated jerk. You can find me mouthing off on the Twitter-machine @Nerin_

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  1. Darragh

    Neil,

    Interesting piece on your experience. Thanks for sharing it.

    Regarding this “incident” on Tuesday – one I had, to be honest, forgotten about until you mentioned it there – on a personal level, I felt I was reaching out with *personal* advice to you to be aware of the sensitivities around the account, that was all. It was jokey and it was friendly – at least I thought so. You obviously have a different take on it.

    Like yourself with Krank.ie, I look after the Community side of WorldIrish.com and everything related. That is my job and what I have to do. So yes, I do have a part in the @ireland project – I don’t choose who gets the account nor do I handle the handover, but I am a sounding board and I do check to see if it impacts negatively on the site, because that’s not what I want from it. As you know, a lot of care goes into picking the curators and I wanted to clarify anything with you in case I had to defend you or your tweets, which (a) has happened before, and (b) I’d gladly have done.

    Having worked on the @ireland account since March, I know what people say about it. As said above, people complain privately to WorldIrish about it. All I wondered was what this was going to be about:

    “So usually, every day or so, I update the front page of our site to link to four of the most talked about & shared stories in Ireland. ”

    (Link: https://twitter.com/ireland/status/263259019630764034)

    The problem with twitter is that we should ALL wait to respond to things. I wondered if this was going to be an out and out “promotion” for the site – as evidenced by the Point Pictures tweet that also seems to have responded to just that tweet

    “Is @Ireland just going to be 7 days of advertising this week?”

    https://twitter.com/PointPictures/status/263260454552477696

    and this one:

    “I’ve seen all kinds of things on the @ireland account but plugging a business site is a new one on me

    https://twitter.com/CJAMcMahon/status/263261524804636673

    both related to that ONE tweet – as I pointed out to you on the day here

    https://twitter.com/darraghdoyle/status/263263297976016896

    and

    https://twitter.com/darraghdoyle/status/263263522279026688

    and

    https://twitter.com/darraghdoyle/status/263264332790525952

    My simple – personal – advice to you was simple, and I would think far from a “warning” – your word, above:

    Look, there’s sensitivities about that account being used for plugging. We’ve both seen them. Just be careful that the way tweets are worded make it obvious you’re talking about an issue rather than going “Hey, look at my website”. So, I’d have started with – today I’d like to share this article about cyberbullying – http://www.spunout.ie/health/Healthy-mind/Bullying/Cyber-and-text-bullying … – which is being discussed here, etc

    https://twitter.com/darraghdoyle/status/263262368258211840
    https://twitter.com/darraghdoyle/status/263262526278606848
    https://twitter.com/darraghdoyle/status/263262775441252352

    It was advice from one chap working on the internet to another – I didn’t mean it to be a criticism or a row – was just chatting to you as I normally do. You obviously didn’t see it as that – or at least the paragraph above doesn’t reflect that to me. Maybe I’m being over sensitive.

    Krank.ie accepts advertising, doesn’t it, even if it’s Google ads, so there is money being made from it, however small? That means it’s “commercial”.

    You obviously, as it turns out, WEREN’T plugging your site, and if I’d been more patient I’d have seen that, like everyone else did. Was I wrong to react how I did? Impulsive perhaps, but I’m supposed to look after everything on WorldIrish, including the perception of the people involved.

    For what it’s worth, and this can be verified by Una or Blathnaid, I was one of your biggest advocates in here and recommended your application for the @ireland account. I know it took a while to get you in the schedule, but I felt we had enough of a personal banter on twitter that you could take things personally, between two people who have interacted online over the past couple of years.

    I’m sorry you felt I wasn’t “stepped back” enough, but when it comes to my job, the site I’m working with and the accusations you were unjustly getting, I felt it better to clarify than suspect.

    I thought this was resolved amicably between us. I don’t feel the need to clarify further – everything I do is out in the open; I explained what my problem was to you and I’m surprised to see the inclusion of a couple of tweets from me as a negative experience in your week – and any of the other @ireland tweeters, including Amanda, can share their experiences with you. I’m just one person on the twitter – albeit one with a big job (and gob) – and I’m surprised you let it get to you in the way you did.

    You could have phoned. You could have emailed. You could have asked me in person, but no, you put it up there as if I had done something wrong or accused you of doing something wrong. I didn’t. I gave you a friendly suggestion – how you reacted was up to you. Everything’s in the open. People can make up their own minds.

    I’m surprised by the inclusion there, Neil, especially when you hadn’t (at time of writing) included the exact conversation including relevant tweets as we had had.

    Peace

    Darragh

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  2. Neil

    To respond to some of your points:

    “I’m surprised by the inclusion there, Neil, especially when you hadn’t (at time of writing) included the exact conversation including relevant tweets as we had had.”

    You accused this piece of being one side an hour ago. About ten minutes after that I linked the Storify thread that is in this piece. I’m sorry if you couldn’t see it, but it is and was there at the time of you writing your comment.

    “Interesting piece on your experience. Thanks for sharing it.”

    Again, this is my experience and is not dressed up as anything else. I’ve included the pros and cons of my week. There is no further agenda other than that.

    ““I’ve seen all kinds of things on the @ireland account but plugging a business site is a new one on me
    https://twitter.com/CJAMcMahon/status/263261524804636673”

    You continue to include this tweet, yet, even when you were tweeting me and it had been resolved, ignore that it had been resolved with a simple explanation. Here is that tweet https://twitter.com/CJAMcMahon/status/263264031920513024 which you’ve consistently ignored and continued to count as an issue after the fact and the follow up one that I mentioned above as being a nice message at the end of my week. https://twitter.com/CJAMcMahon/status/264330655855427584

    “It was advice from one chap working on the internet to another – I didn’t mean it to be a criticism or a row – was just chatting to you as I normally do. You obviously didn’t see it as that – or at least the paragraph above doesn’t reflect that to me. Maybe I’m being over sensitive.”

    As I’ve said above, the issue I took with it was that on one hand you were talking to me as an employee of worldirish and then switched it up to counting yourself as having a personal problem with it.

    “Krank.ie accepts advertising, doesn’t it, even if it’s Google ads, so there is money being made from it, however small? That means it’s “commercial””
    Actually, the site operates at minus of about one hundred euros on a good year. When I say we make no money, I mean it.

    “You obviously, as it turns out, WEREN’T plugging your site, and if I’d been more patient I’d have seen that, like everyone else did. Was I wrong to react how I did?”

    In my OPINION yes, as I have said. I seem to have to underline that I’m not having a go, simply stating that I disagree with how you reacted.

    “Impulsive perhaps, but I’m supposed to look after everything on WorldIrish, including the perception of the people involved.”

    You weren’t on WorldIrish, which was part of the problem. And again, I point out the employee vs personal opinion change.

    I note with some interest that this week and the week before my week, both users have actively talked about, named and linked to their sites with so much as a peep from yourself or other staff.

    “I thought this was resolved amicably between us. I don’t feel the need to clarify further.”
    It was resolved. I told you I felt it was unwarranted and you said grand. That was a week ago, done. I’m writing this as an opinion piece for the entire experience looking back on it. Yes, I feel it was negative. But I’ve pointed out the good parts of the experience as well. You accused this piece of being one sided, but it really isn’t as a review of the entire week as a whole.
    I’m a bit amazed at the need for such a lengthy rebuttal.

    “You could have phoned. You could have emailed. You could have asked me in person, but no, you put it up there as if I had done something wrong or accused you of doing something wrong. I didn’t. I gave you a friendly suggestion – how you reacted was up to you. Everything’s in the open. People can make up their own minds.”
    I didn’t need to call you or email you, nor was I around you in person. If I had met you in person I would tell you exactly what I’ve expressed above. Again, it isn’t some sort of attack, just my experience.
    I find it interesting you react to this piece on an AS IF basis.

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  3. Darragh

    Neil, you didn’t even put in all the tweets in that storify thing. You also could have put them on THIS site.

    But hey, it’s just your opinion, right?

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    1. Neil

      I put in all of the tweets between myself and you, which was what YOU asked me to do.

      The piece is two and a half thousand words, which you were told on Twitter already this evening when you originally accused it of being very one sided (which, when you think about it… is an opinion piece actually, which it is marked as) and the length was complained about (you were told that, too).

      You also have not responded to the fact that you said in your comment that we did not include the conversation in the piece, which we did. It was there at time of writing Darragh, maybe you just didn’t see it.

      You are viewing an entire piece that is about MY experience and MY opinion as being about you, when it really isn’t.

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  4. Darragh

    Here, just stick in this one and we’ll leave it there. Thanks

    https://twitter.com/darraghdoyle/status/263262775441252352

    Re your inclusion of the tweets, I mean on THIS website. Not another one. You mentioned me by name. I’m responding to that aspect.

    For those reading this ages hence – my “accusation”

    @Krank_IE @Nerin_ Ah lads, here. Would you at least embed the tweets that were back and forth between me and Neil there for clarity sake??
    https://twitter.com/darraghdoyle/status/265854161613123586

    @Krank_IE @Nerin_ and you could have come to me at any stage. It’s not like you don’t have my details. That’s a very one sided article :(
    https://twitter.com/darraghdoyle/status/265854519424991232

    Whoever responded to me from the @Krank_Ie account also said “will do” not “have done”

    Krank.ie ‏@Krank_IE
    @darraghdoyle Jaysis, we’ve already had complaints about the size of it. Ok, will do.
    https://twitter.com/Krank_IE/status/265854434645508096

    Now, that’s enough bullshit from me on here.

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